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post #21 of 30 (permalink) Old 12-22-2015, 06:31 PM
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Wow, this is all interesting... we had snow up the wazoo here last winter and we went all over and some off roading with my wife's TH with stock Firestones. Also before I traded it, travelled about with my Wrangler JKU with stock Bridgestone A'T's and really had no trouble at all? Even towed two vehicles out of a snow bank with the TH. The Firestones more aggressive than the Bridgestone's were, but the JKU heavier, seem similar in heavy snow?


You guys changing to preserve your stock TH wheels or just changing for the sake of changing. Studs are now illegal almost everywhere aren't they? I know lotsa folks don't care to mess up fancy wheels in winter so cheap wheel with cheap snows already mounted seem to work.
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Personally I haven't felt the need to buy winter tires as the stock Firestones on the T-Hawk have been great in the snow. I travel the Alaska Hwy 200 miles round trip twice each week in snow, slush, ice and real cold temps and not once have the tires given me any issues at all. I do use the Snow 4X4 mode if there's more than a couple inches of snow on the highway but never once have I felt unsafe or leery of doing 100kph in any condition.
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the main problem with the non-snowflake tires is actually the rubber itself as opposed to the tread pattern. Non-snowflake tires tend to harden up at temperatures as high as 7 degrees C (45 ish F). The harder your tires are the less likely you are to get good road contact. Winter tires are made of much softer rubbers that stay pliable at much lower temperatures.


On my previous truck I ran fairly aggressive all-terrain tires year round. I got a good deal on some studded winter tires this winter and put them on my new Cherokee. I can say that the softer rubber definitely stays more pliable. For my old truck I would get "square" tires at -20C from sitting overnight as the rubber would harden up and flat spots would develop. I've yet to experience that with the winter tires on my Cherokee and generally winter tires stay pliable to about -30C. I drive the same Alaska Hwy as @ArcticLyn though I have to drive 457km (286 miles) each way for groceries (572 mile round trip) as I'm further out than her! I chose the studs because our snow conditions are generally hard packed snow/ice. It just gives me extra peace of mind. That being said things are most slippery during the 'warmer' cold temperatures and in high traffic areas such as intersections where layers of water build up on the ice/snow making things extra slippy. Once you hit -35 C or so things get slightly more sticky again. I will say my Cherokee is pretty unstoppable in snow mode with these tires/studs. Now, I only slid once on my previous all-terrains on my truck but, it was fairly warm and thus slippery and it was straight through a busy intersection on black ice in Anchorage...not something I enjoyed.. I didn't bother changing the wheels as we don't use as much salt up here as some more southern parts of Canada as salt loses effectiveness below certain temperatures (it's mostly, though not entirely sand up here). Winter rims however do make it much faster to change your tires and makes it easier to do it yourself if you're so inclined. Salt plays havoc on alloy wheels so that may also be a consideration for you.


Studs are legal in all Provinces/Territories in Canada except for Ontario. In Ontario they are allowed in Northern Ontario only (areas defined in regulations). In some Provinces/Territories they are only allowed during certain times of the year (even in the ones with no restrictions I don't know why you'd run studs in summer!). In Alaska they are also allowed seasonally. There is some debate still on whether studs are a necessity these days with new tire tech but, some people love 'em, some don't see the need. It does add about $20 a tire give or take.


The downside is because winter tires are softer they will wear much faster. Generally as a result winter tires don't have an expected mileage life. So don't run winter tires year round or you're going to be replacing your tires very frequently! If you push lots of snow/slush look for tires with good siping, which helps displace the snow/slush.


In some provinces in Canada snowflake rated tires or M+S tires are required during certain times of the year (note M+S tires are not snowflake winter tires but a slightly better all-season tire). In Quebec it is required on all roads. In BC, certain roads are designated as highways where you are required to have snowflake rated or M+S tires in the winter (usually highways in Northern BC/snowbelt areas)
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I will. Let I haven't read entire thread but when in need of snow/ice tires I have never been disappointed in Bridgesone Blizzaks on all four wheels. I've run them on many vehicles. I just got the 2016 TH and the Firestone Owls seem fine so far. I guess it's when and where you need to drive. I loved them on an AWD Subaru. They made my wife's old Altima useful in Winter when other tires were just useless. She got rid of that car 2+ years back and she and my daughter do fine in CR-Vs with continental tires but stay on road.

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never been disappointed in Bridgesone Blizzaks & I loved them on an AWD Subaru
+1 same here. wound up with something different for my Jeep but that's only cuz I couldn't find a decent set of pre-owned Blizzaks my size
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Thanks to everyone for the responses and input. I decided to get four (4) Bridgestone Blizzaks from COSTCO. It was a close call with the Michelin Ice, but the Tire Rack ratings nudge me to the BB's. I'll let you know how they perform in the Vermont snow.
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I really liked mine on my Subaru, also very good on dry roads. for that car I had a sep set of steel wheels & wheel covers

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Thanks to everyone for the responses and input. I decided to get four (4) Bridgestone Blizzaks from COSTCO. It was a close call with the Michelin Ice, but the Tire Rack ratings nudge me to the BB's. I'll let you know how they perform in the Vermont snow.
I got Blizzaks last year for the Cherokee and really like them. I love winter driving. Tried very hard to make the Cherokee lose its composure last winter, but the electronic safeguards paired with the AWD system (AD1 in my case) make it really difficult. I wasn't used to such systems getting in the way before this Jeep

With Blizzaks (or other good winter tire), you increase that safety margin by a fair amount. In other words, you can get away with going a little too fast or, as I like to see it, get away with going faster on purpose on slippery surfaces (oops).

I've read a lot of reviews comparing the Michelins and newer Blizzaks as well. The Michelins may last longer and do better on dry roads. Where I live, we have long winters and drive on ice a lot, and the Blizzaks are great. Buying a set for the wife's new car shortly.

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high speed highway entrance & exit ramps can get pretty interesting if you're not slow enough. never met a snow tire I couldn't break loose. in fact, first thing I do, is push the limits to find out what they are, so if something unexpected does happen, I'll know my options











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gotta have respect for the road, one time, in high school, a couple friends kidnapped me to party & forced me to skip geometry with Mr Sherman. we're on a highway access road & they spin their father's giant sedan. a complete 360. w/o hitting a curb or guardrail. we almost sh*t our pants. got back in time for last five minutes of class. after class, I threw my friends under the bus. I think Mr Sherman believed me

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