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post #11 of 34 (permalink) Old 05-12-2014, 10:04 AM
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At least its accessible!! Some cars require removal of misc. crap just to check fluid level....

I see he is wearing a heat sleeve too, those things are invaluable!
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For the first 3/36 we should all go to the dealer weekly to have the trans fluid checked....maybe they will let Chrysler know we need a trans dipstick to be mounted in the check port for owner use.....

Although, I imagine there will eventually be a trans dipstick (permanently mounted) with the trans in later models, which we can retrofit.
Doubt it. Why put a dip stick on a transmission with highly engineered fluid that's good for 100-150k miles? Why add a dipstick and invite contaminants and foolish owners to dump in bottles of additives. Other car makers such as Ford have been doing sealed transmissions for quite a while, I think they may be here to stay. And if you really want a dipstick you can add a universal one from Summit Racing for real cheap, just don't be afraid of drilling into the tranny oil pan
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I added the link to the temp chart in the first post.

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Trust me,checking the fluid level is not as easy as that video makes it look. As for why there is no dipstick. They don't any other fluids any kind introduced. You can never underestimate the stupidity of people. We have already had people add the wrong coolant to the cooling system. The coolant just turns to a gel. So having no dipstick will become more and more of the norm.
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Doubt it. Why put a dip stick on a transmission with highly engineered fluid that's good for 100-150k miles? Why add a dipstick and invite contaminants and foolish owners to dump in bottles of additives. Other car makers such as Ford have been doing sealed transmissions for quite a while, I think they may be here to stay. And if you really want a dipstick you can add a universal one from Summit Racing for real cheap, just don't be afraid of drilling into the tranny oil pan
I agree. Transmissions are complex pieces of hydraulic machinery which need to remain sealed and protected from contaminants and debris, as there are many narrow channels the hydraulic fluid passes through to engage and disengage clutches. A sealed transmission should not need servicing until you have reached the lifespan of the hydraulic fluid or unless there is actually a problem. The transmission oil level will never change unless you have a leak, in which your service transmission light will come on. Unlike engine oil, transmission fluid has nowhere to go. Engine oil can leak into the coolant lines, cylinders, etc, thus why a dipstick is necessary to monitor the level. My last two vehicles have had sealed transmissions and I had no issues, though I never opened the caps as they never needed servicing. Just my 2 cents

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You guys all make good points. For the last 30 years, I have driven manual trans vehicles and could not imagine NOT being able to check trans fluid. The only automatic car I have owned is a 1963 Ford and it has a trans dipstick.

The idea of a sealed trans makes a lot of sense when explained as you all have...it just seems that I remember a post here several months back that someone with shift quality issues had been advised by their dealer tech that the trans was 1/2 full from the factory....possibly a culprit different than the TSB reflash/relearn issue.

I suppose only IF there is an issue, would a trained tech NEED to check the trans fluid as discussed here. Thanks for the education!

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That was a great find! Thanks.
Now all we need is a real dip stick so we can keep an eye on the fluid without jumping through hoops.
Like putting on heat arm protectors so We can reach way down.
I can see a extension tube to bring it up to engine level with the plug. Then it becomes an easy check.
But to be honest I do not think I have ever had to add fluid between transmission services.
Just like to keep an eye on the color/quality especially after a tow.
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Doubt it. Why put a dip stick on a transmission with highly engineered fluid that's good for 100-150k miles? Why add a dipstick and invite contaminants and foolish owners to dump in bottles of additives. Other car makers such as Ford have been doing sealed transmissions for quite a while, I think they may be here to stay. And if you really want a dipstick you can add a universal one from Summit Racing for real cheap, just don't be afraid of drilling into the tranny oil pan
Drilling a hole? I agree with you on that one.
How about an optional extension tube with plug? The plug will keep it sealed and the permanent extension tube will make it easy to check.
I would say for a regular duty Cherokee the sealed transmission is fine.
If you tow or do a fair amount of off road there might be problems. The fluid in that case will not be lifetime or make it 100,000 miles. My concern has always been "burning" the fluid.
By the time you notice bad shifting etc. the damage is already occurring. All it takes is one time to overheat it to start the clock.
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You guys all make good points. For the last 30 years, I have driven manual trans vehicles and could not imagine NOT being able to check trans fluid. The only automatic car I have owned is a 1963 Ford and it has a trans dipstick.

The idea of a sealed trans makes a lot of sense when explained as you all have...it just seems that I remember a post here several months back that someone with shift quality issues had been advised by their dealer tech that the trans was 1/2 full from the factory....possibly a culprit different than the TSB reflash/relearn issue.

I suppose only IF there is an issue, would a trained tech NEED to check the trans fluid as discussed here. Thanks for the education!
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Trust me,checking the fluid level is not as easy as that video makes it look. As for why there is no dipstick. They don't any other fluids any kind introduced. You can never underestimate the stupidity of people. We have already had people add the wrong coolant to the cooling system. The coolant just turns to a gel. So having no dipstick will become more and more of the norm.
Sealed? Just think of the crud that could get in when the plug is taken off to check.
Make it a 3 year old Cherokee and it will not be as clean down there.
I do think that maybe with all this tech, Chrysler would figure out how to have a fluid level gauge and fluid quality/change gauge. Now that would make me happy and negate any reason for a dip stick.
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