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post #21 of 34 (permalink) Old 05-13-2014, 07:35 AM
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Problem is where do you find a trained tech ?
I'm just SURE that every stealership has watched that video.....aren't you?

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You guys all make good points. For the last 30 years, I have driven manual trans vehicles and could not imagine NOT being able to check trans fluid. The only automatic car I have owned is a 1963 Ford and it has a trans dipstick.

The idea of a sealed trans makes a lot of sense when explained as you all have...it just seems that I remember a post here several months back that someone with shift quality issues had been advised by their dealer tech that the trans was 1/2 full from the factory....possibly a culprit different than the TSB reflash/relearn issue.

I suppose only IF there is an issue, would a trained tech NEED to check the trans fluid as discussed here. Thanks for the education!
Exactly!
There still needs to be a way to keep an eye on the fluid without a hassle.
Low fluid will overheat easier and thus damage the fluid. This can lead to transmission wear/damage. We do not want to go there!
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Problem is where do you find a trained tech ?
The best ones are in their driveways.
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I'm just SURE that every stealership has watched that video.....aren't you?
I bet most have to look up where the plug is.
That is something I think the dealerships should add to the oil change procedure of things to check. But you know my oil change store checks lots more than a dealer would.
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Drilling a hole? I agree with you on that one.
How about an optional extension tube with plug? The plug will keep it sealed and the permanent extension tube will make it easy to check.
I would say for a regular duty Cherokee the sealed transmission is fine.
If you tow or do a fair amount of off road there might be problems. The fluid in that case will not be lifetime or make it 100,000 miles. My concern has always been "burning" the fluid.
By the time you notice bad shifting etc. the damage is already occurring. All it takes is one time to overheat it to start the clock.
Come on, man! You are talking about millions and millions of dollars and decades of research to get to the transmission fluids of today. I'm sure some guy once said the same about spark plugs, "no way they will last 100k..." meanwhile about every new car on the road these days has proven 100k plugs. For hydraulic fluids the key is not burning it, which is easily done in any vehicle that tows a lot by watching the transmission temp while you tow.
Agreed, transmission damage is a nasty one and the symptoms are in indication the damage is already done.
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There are some very good points here with regards to having the dip stick for the transmission and not having one. Though, as @fusseli stated, we have come a long way from the transmission oil we used to use decades ago. Just look at all the technology put into the vehicle, then think of the hundreds of oil companies out there that compete and do independent research to create and refine the best oils. I do off-roading and towing and have never burned my transmission oil. If you know how to monitor all your gauges Chrylser has given you, assuming they do not fail you lol, you should not have any problems. Yes, detecting burnt transmission oil is not a good sign, however to the average consumer they don't know what this looks or smells like. The amount of times the dip stick would be pulled in and out by its owner, just think of all the contaminants that could enter the transmission. I'm keeping the cap on. Keep in mind, you WILL void your warranty if you remove the cap and debis falls into the transmission. Not to mention the hefty out of pocket price to rebuild it. Do you really want to take that chance just to check a fluid in a piece of high tech machinery that is sealed for a reason?

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Come on, man! You are talking about millions and millions of dollars and decades of research to get to the transmission fluids of today. I'm sure some guy once said the same about spark plugs, "no way they will last 100k..." meanwhile about every new car on the road these days has proven 100k plugs. For hydraulic fluids the key is not burning it, which is easily done in any vehicle that tows a lot by watching the transmission temp while you tow.
Agreed, transmission damage is a nasty one and the symptoms are in indication the damage is already done.
I hear you.........
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There are some very good points here with regards to having the dip stick for the transmission and not having one. Though, as @fusseli stated, we have come a long way from the transmission oil we used to use decades ago. Just look at all the technology put into the vehicle, then think of the hundreds of oil companies out there that compete and do independent research to create and refine the best oils. I do off-roading and towing and have never burned my transmission oil. If you know how to monitor all your gauges Chrylser has given you, assuming they do not fail you lol, you should not have any problems. Yes, detecting burnt transmission oil is not a good sign, however to the average consumer they don't know what this looks or smells like. The amount of times the dip stick would be pulled in and out by its owner, just think of all the contaminants that could enter the transmission. I'm keeping the cap on. Keep in mind, you WILL void your warranty if you remove the cap and debis falls into the transmission. Not to mention the hefty out of pocket price to rebuild it. Do you really want to take that chance just to check a fluid in a piece of high tech machinery that is sealed for a reason?
All good points, Thanks.
I am from old school maintenance. But I am sure Chrysler engineers know better than I do in this area.

I have never had to add transmission fluid/ or burned it, in the past 3 jeeps.
So a sealed transmission with the extra cooling on this vehicle is probably no big deal. Just less maintenance and cost.
I just marvel sometimes durability that is built in.
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This transmission is filled with Helium before being sealed. That's why there is no dipstick. In other words, it's not a DIY thing !!
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Thanks for posting!

For the first 3/36 we should all go to the dealer weekly to have the trans fluid checked....maybe they will let Chrysler know we need a trans dipstick to be mounted in the check port for owner use.....

Although, I imagine there will eventually be a trans dipstick (permanently mounted) with the trans in later models, which we can retrofit.
Don't count on it. More and more car mfg's are not including dipsticks to check the trans fluid. I seriously doubt there will ever be one factory for the Cherokee.
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