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post #1 of 108 (permalink) Old 12-22-2013, 04:38 PM Thread Starter
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Flat towing setup

Anybody got a base plate , brake system, and harness installed for towing 4-down yet?? Last I heard Blue Ox won't be sending plate kits for another few weeks but SOMEBODY has been to the factory already....

I'd like to see some pics of the install process and also placement of an AF1 brake unit most probably behind the bumper bar under the front clip ??

Getting closer to making a trade.... decisions, decisions ....
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Read this info over at Jeep Garage

http://www.jeepgarage.org/f216/flat-...-rv-69317.html
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Thank you for the link to Roadmaster. The install instructions make it look as if the baseplate will replace the tow hooks upfront. That would be a terrible solution and defeat one of the big advantages of the TH for off roading. I guess we'll have to wait and see what Blue Ox comes up with.
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Thanks for the Roadmaster link.... It's about what I expect from BO also more or less...
It's a bit fugly of a job, that's for sure, but at least there is sumthin under the clip to bolt on to with the TH . I wouldn't see a major problem losing the tow hooks in front, since you will still have the safety cable hooks in place with the tow pins removed. JMHO

We'll have to see if BO does things differently where the pins and such protrude from the clip to allow for enough room to use your safety cables and still look decent. I would also desire a safety cable be provided under the frame to retain the plate on the vehicle even if the bolts are broken off or a weld comes apart, etc .... Don't wanna see yer KL passing you on it's way to the median . Jus saying ....
Our Wrangler has been a GREAT toad, and I hope the TH will be equal. We have only driven our Wrangler about 27 thou in three years and towed it about 30 thou.

Thanks for the good info!
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@kannonvaggon - you seem to know something about Dinghy towing - for us the TH will be the first vehicle we tow behind a MH. Do I need a brake controller in the RV to tow the dinghy? I've always had them when I was towing our travel trailer but not sure about the MH. My RV dealer was totally clueless - as usual.
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Just found out that DEMCO has a base plate setup for the Limited with adaptive cruise control. Here's a link to the discussion on a RV forum. It is NOT listed yet on DEMCO's site but one member got his Limited outfitted by DEMCO already.

http://www.irv2.com/forums/f85/2014-...-170804-4.html

Of course this does not help us TH owners (yet).
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@kannonvaggon - you seem to know something about Dinghy towing - for us the TH will be the first vehicle we tow behind a MH. Do I need a brake controller in the RV to tow the dinghy? I've always had them when I was towing our travel trailer but not sure about the MH. My RV dealer was totally clueless - as usual.
Many RV's and some states require brakes, that statement sometimes get's into long arguments......so I'll just say I feel better with dingy brakes and the simplest system I have found and use is the Ready Brake Ready Brute.

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Hi Gator - thanks. I'll most certainly have a brake solution in the dinghy, but what about the RV. Do I need some sort of brake controller mounted to the dash of the RV that tells the dinghy how much force to apply to the brakes?

Another question. Does Jeep install the brackets and the wiring needed?
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You always want a brake system on yer toad, mostly for break-away whether it's required by your state laws or not.... AND I think that for the most part vehicle laws apply within the state yer in as opposed to operator licenses which depends on your state of residence....

I carried a Smart Cabrio up the butt of a class-A coach which had a 12' garage in back. It was neat for about a week or two.... then it dawned on me that flat towing a REAL car is mo bedda for extended use. We live in our motorcoach for about nine months or more each year.

If you have a diesel pusher coach, it will PROBABLY have air brakes. In that case I like a proportional air operated toad brake unit, like SMI's AF1. A "brake controller" is not usually something applicable to flat towing a car or truck but rather a trailer with electric brakes...
An AF1, or M&G type unit, will have a small unit mounted under the rear of your coach which attaches to the air brake line and will restrict the amount of air loss if you cut your umbilical hose, etc... and also provide a proportional amount of air to operate a brake pedal in the toad with vacuum assist AND have an electrical break-away switch up front which will lock up the toad brakes if it gets loose on ya. MANY folks have had tow bars or base plates come loose for various reasons, and it ain't gonna be pretty.
Also, having brakes on your toad would allow you to come to a stop in the event of a tow bar problem without the toad eating the back of your coach ....

You can also get systems for coaches with hydraulic brakes that wok pretty much the same way but without the air line parts.... and you can get "portable " systems like Brake Buddy and such that you can just put in front of the driver seat and adjust for sensitivity and plug it into your 12V power.... which may or may not require a "toad charge" lead from your coach.
Lots of choices and it depends on what type coach rig you have and how you use it to some extent. ReadyBrake is another approach to a simple toad brake system.

I prefer the AF1 or M&G, cuz it's simple and reliable and won't cook your toad's brake rotors and it doesn't operate at all unless the service brakes are applied or the break-away is operated. This allows me to "coast" down long grades on my engine compression brake system without heating the toad brakes. Some toad systems operate on pendulums and/or coach brake lamps and such. Useable but not optimal IMHO.

We're in AZ right now and will have to set up a TH for towing prior to late spring when we head back to the great lakes area. We'll probably stop for a bit in Santa Fe and maybe Colorado enroute this trip. I'm trying to get my ducks in a row prior to purchase on the details of setup and license transfer and such. It's a bit of a PITA, but if I wait until summer I'll have to do the base plate and wiring install myself and I would rather have a good shop here do it. It's not a Wrangler, which is very easy to do this stuff on. Nobody is all that familiar with the new KL yet, including ME !

You can probably get a good dealer to handle your tow bar, base plate and wiring harness for you, BUT a good RV shop or specialty shop are maybe a better bet.
If you are in Carefree, AZ I would suggest Cliff's Welding in Mesa. A great shop and they are the distributors for SMI, BO, HydraLift, etc.... They installed a HydraLift on our motorcoach and did a very good job for us. I spoke to them just last week about doing the TH transfer work and they said no sweat after mid January or so ....

I HOPE I answered some of your questions, if not I'll try it again!
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