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post #21 of 33 (permalink) Old 07-05-2016, 02:50 PM
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I noticed that you mounted the brake controller on the compartment door under the dash. How does that work for you. I also have the P3 and was planning on mounting it more to center, but I also have an under-dash holster that I like to use as well, so that door was another thought. Do you find that you hit it with your knee when you get in and out?

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Len1304,

I noticed that you mounted the brake controller on the compartment door under the dash. How does that work for you. I also have the P3 and was planning on mounting it more to center, but I also have an under-dash holster that I like to use as well, so that door was another thought. Do you find that you hit it with your knee when you get in and out?

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I've got my seat set so that when the ignition turns off it slides back. That helps greatly not hit it. But when I'm hooking up a trailer or I'm getting in and out while the engine is running I do find myself hitting it from time to time. I'm 5' 7" tall and about 220. The problem with more in the center or to the right is the knee airbag located under the steering wheel. If you screw into that plastic you could accidentally detonate the airbag or tear it. Also in the event of a collision whatever is mounted to that plastic can become a bullet. So I'd recommend against mounting it in the center. Personally I would have liked it in the center console on on the dash where it's easy to get to, but with where it's at its easy. And it comes with everything you need to just pop it off really quick. It's all quick disconnect anyways.


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Len1304,

I noticed that you mounted the brake controller on the compartment door under the dash. How does that work for you. I also have the P3 and was planning on mounting it more to center, but I also have an under-dash holster that I like to use as well, so that door was another thought. Do you find that you hit it with your knee when you get in and out?

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I'll throw in my .02 here too. I have it in the same spot as Len1304, I'm 6' and 220lbs, don't have the luxury of auto seats. I have only hit it once...It hurt like heck, and haven't done it since.

Like what was mentioned, with the amount of air bags in these, it's almost the best spot. And it's easy to get to the factory plug as well from there.
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I didn't think about the airbag, but thanks for pointing that out. I'm 6'1" and don't have the easy exit seats, and have been driving an F-150 for the past 4 years. The smaller vehicle is still an adjustment, but I'll get used to it. Thanks, Jim.

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We recently returned from a 7500 km trip to Yukon and back. We tow a Aero lite travel trailer that weighs 3200 pounds fully loaded. The Jeep performed beautifully. We do not have a equalizer hitch nor a sway control unit. Our tongue weight is 400 pounds. We did not have any problems even in strong wind conditions. Except for two days towing into a strong headwind we averaged 15 liters/ 100 kms. We used to tow a 12,000 pound fifth wheel trailer with a F350 diesel. We really like the compactness of our new to us trailer and Jeep combo. We also appreciate the much better fuel economy. However I do miss the massive torque of a nicely modified diesel engine.

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Oops, I may have posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.

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I didn't think about the airbag, but thanks for pointing that out. I'm 6'1" and don't have the easy exit seats, and have been driving an F-150 for the past 4 years. The smaller vehicle is still an adjustment, but I'll get used to it. Thanks, Jim.


No problem Jim. I'm happy to help. Thanks @ptrudel.


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Adding an additional resource: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-tow-v...derstand.shtml

Short version: "Don't exceed any individual rating, even if the total is within limits. Actual weighing with a scale is the only way to know your numbers for sure. Don't trust printed or spoken information."

GVW: Gross Vehicle Weight
Your "all-in" weight. Vehicle/Trailer. People. Contents. Fluids. Everything.

GVWR: Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.
The max allowed GVW.

GCW: Gross Combination Weight
Total all-in weight of both towing vehicle and towed (trailer).

GCWR: Gross Combination Weight Rating
The max allowed GCW

GAW: Gross Axle Weight
Measured on each axle; the actual weight each axle is supporting.

GAWR:
The max allowed GAW.

Tongue Weight
The amount of weight transferred from the trailer and supported by the hitch. Should be 10-12% of trailer weight.
Too light or too heavy and vehicle/trailer handling will be affected.
A weight-distributing hitch transfers the same amount of weight to the vehicle, but the lever action moves some of the weight to the front axle rather than "all" on the rear axle. A WDH is also significantly heavier than a drawbar and needs to be part of your tongue weight calculation.

Curb Weight: "Unladen" vehicle weight.
Total vehicle weight with standard options/equipment, fluids, fuel, etc. No people or cargo.

Dry Weight: Similar to Curb weight, but without fluids, batteries, propane, accessories. etc. "Fresh from the factory without any dealer prep." Rarely used, other than by RV sellers to tell you "Sure, your car can handle that! (as long as you don't bring any water or personal items with you or actually want it to be useful. )" :P

Cargo weight:
All the extra stuff you add, including people.


Once you add a trailer, you are going to affect GAW, GVW and GCW. Tongue weight will transfer from the trailer to the vehicle. Note, you can have a negative tongue weight if poorly loaded. This will actually lift the rear of the tow vehicle.

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@Rojhan, dry weight is also without batteries, water, propane or accessories. Dry weight is typically the weight of the of the trailer as it ships from the factory before the dealer does any prep.


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@Rojhan, dry weight is also without batteries, water, propane or accessories. Dry weight is typically the weight of the of the trailer as it ships from the factory before the dealer does any prep.

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