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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old 05-29-2017, 09:58 PM Thread Starter
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I have asked Jeep Canada for clarity. If this is the case then I was sold a pile of crap as that was the first question I asked and asked it a few more times when buying it. Even the parts guy is saying it. The whole point is to tow. Appreciate your responses but I am looking to Jeep Canada for their say and will post it when I get it. If its 2000 lbs and they sold me a lie, I am thinking they need to own that and make amends.

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A victim of a clueless dealership team. That sucks big time... especially since it seems to have been an option (4500 lbs towing) you wanted and needed, and they told you no problem with a dealer installed hitch. Now you're stuck with a legal 2000 lbs tow limit, wantring to tow 4000 lbs...

I don't know if you would have a legal case against those people unless you had all this in writing... and I'd be very surprised they would make this right for you somehow.

Len is right, a lot of the 2017s ship with a tow prep package, something we didn't have before, and you can have the dealer install a hitch + wiring and be good for 4500 lbs, but not on 2014-15-16s... unkess you have the factory Trailer Tow Group with everything.

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I have asked Jeep Canada for clarity. If this is the case then I was sold a pile of crap as that was the first question I asked and asked it a few more times when buying it. Even the parts guy is saying it. The whole point is to tow. Appreciate your responses but I am looking to Jeep Canada for their say and will post it when I get it. If its 2000 lbs and they sold me a lie, I am thinking they need to own that and make amends.


You are free do what you feel you need to do. However it's clear as day in the owners manual that I shared a picture of. If the Cherokee didn't come with the trailer tow package from the factory you are limited to only 2000lbs. I understand your frustration with this matter. I myself fell pray to it when I bought my 2014 Cherokee and was told it could be added. I was then latter very very upset when I discovered I couldn't tow 4500lbs, especially since I had the cost of adding a hitch added to the loan.


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if you're only towing to the local launch and not going too far, You'll be fine , Your original question was how would it handle getting in and out of the water with the boat/trailer , And I can tell you , It will be OK and just as good as any truck , Providing you have enough water depth at the launch .

Yes in theory , You shouldn't be towing it according to Jeep , But it will handle it .

I've towed mine , many times over the Coquihalla highway , with one of the steepest grades in N.A. , 3-3500lbs boat , No problems . I don't believe the difference in tow packages make up the 2500 lbs difference , But the courts might take a different view . Your call really .

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This has been beat to death, unfortunately. And, as @Len1304 said, confirmed by the official Jeep rep on the board.

"Can", "safely", "legally" and even warranty are in conflict.

@JeepCares, this is a frequently recurring issue. Consumers are being misled and misinformed by their dealers (not saying intentionally or maliciously) on the capabilities and restrictions of their chosen purchase by what should be trusted experts.

Those lucky enough to find the information here can at least make better informed decisions but, extrapolating from the volume of discussion here, there is a huge class of consumers that are unknowingly saddled with a potential time bomb.

Is Jeep going to take a public stance and action on this?
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I to was mislead but that is life. I was never planning to tow something that heavy so it wasn't to big of a deal. The trailer I purchased is only rated for 1800 pounds, so the 2k limit works for me.

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Except for one thing, his is an export vehicle.

May or may not be the case for Canadian vehicles, but all KL's shipped to Australia have pretty much what is being referred to above as the trailer prep package. All of them. Ever since the first one arrived. All Australian KL's can have a tow bar fitted and will have the max 4500lb rating.


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Except for one thing, his is an export vehicle.

May or may not be the case for Canadian vehicles, but all KL's shipped to Australia have pretty much what is being referred to above as the trailer prep package. All of them. Ever since the first one arrived. All Australian KL's can have a tow bar fitted and will have the max 4500lb rating.


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For some reason, I thought @Fishhaggis was Canada, not Oz. @David_Baker has a very good point on the export prep. However, @JeepCares should probably be able to point to the right resource.
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I have asked Jeep Canada for clarity. If this is the case then I was sold a pile of crap as that was the first question I asked and asked it a few more times when buying it. Even the parts guy is saying it. The whole point is to tow. Appreciate your responses but I am looking to Jeep Canada for their say and will post it when I get it. If its 2000 lbs and they sold me a lie, I am thinking they need to own that and make amends.
As was quoted previously the owners manual is the law for FCA regardless on what the dealer says. The warranty is the big issue and violating the terms in the manual put that towing situation in grave jeopardy.
With that said you can tow whatever you want or the dealer says is OK. Its your Cherokee. But any damage may not be covered.
What the dealer is not considering is the added equipment that is added in the tow package. Extra cooling and axle ratio at your weight limit is critical. Both can be added at an extra expense.
Axle ratio might be a bit of an issue though. If its in the front wheel drive set up its a lost cause.
If you proceed I would cover a few issues first:
* I would only have the dealer install the OEM tow set up with wiring. You will need the trailer brakes for sure. When finished it will look exactly like and function like it came from the factory.
* Extra transmission cooling is a must. It must be added if it is not already there from another package on your Cherokee. If the dealer can not do that, an outside supplier can.

Yes, the V6 Cherokee will tow the limit but as mentioned previously it must be safe and protect the mechanical parts. Neither of which is the case with a non OEM set up.
The hitch is key to that when at or near the max. The OEM hitch including the bolts that hold it to the frame are warrantied to the limit.

Now the other question about Boats and ramps.
4WD is a definite plus in most situations. Ramps are always wet thus slippery. Ramps that have algae and sea weed on them can be treacherous.
Ramps that are concrete can be grooved which help traction. If not they can be treacherous with the right conditions.
Ramp slope is another issue. The steeper the slope the more problematic they can be.
Backing down with a 4500lb boat is done very, very, very, slowly. Try several stops while backing down to see how much slide you will get.
Conditions on the ramp will determine how much slide you will get. I have seem vehicles partially pulled into the water because its backed in to fast.
Once the boat comes off the trailer it eases the pull on the vehicle.
Pulling out in 4WD is usually not an issue unless there is algae etc. on the ramp. In your case 4500lbs would be a load to pull out of the water.
Actually pulling out of the water multiplies the weight and stress on the drive train. The steeper the slope the more weight and stress.
I can spin my tires briefly if the ramp conditions are bad on the initial pull out of the water and that is with 1700lbs. You have 4500 lbs.
But yes the Cherokee can handle it as good as my previous V8 Grand Cherokee did. I am sure yours will also.

Yes, the dealer also told me that they can add the trailer hitch but from the previous 3 jeeps I have owned I knew that would not work so I factory ordered it to get it.
Dealers will say anything but most of this is not understanding the product they are selling.
In your case I might actually look for a 4WD truck or a factory OEM Cherokee tow set up. The problem is once you get a boat you will not confine yourself to that one close lake.
I have been as far as 500 miles to lakes and its nice to know I am covered by my tow capacity 100% of the time.
Just remember the old adage: The two best days in a boaters life are the purchase date and the date its sold.

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Just to clarify : Canadian Jeeps are not considered exports because of trade deals and regulations. Our owner's manual is the same as the US manual. So towing capacities are the same as for the US.

About dealerships... I've told this story before but I'll repeat it here as it may shed some light on the whole situation. My salesguy is awesome, a car guy, worked as a service advisor and later manager for years before going into sales. He knows cars, loves cars... and is a pretty smart cookie. Anyway a few years ago we were shooting the breeze while my Liberty was being serviced and I mentionned to him how it sucked that the Journeys had gone down from 3500 to 2500lbs towing capacity with the Pentastar, and he didn't know... This guy should have known. I blame the company for not making this information available to sales... not pushing it to sales actually. These people have meetings all the time to discuss various tactics, new promos etc... so I'm sure they could take a minute to discuss safety sensitive changes on vehicules.

About the Tow group : I believe anti-sway programming is also added with the package. If so, not sure if a dealer could activate it.

And a little fun fact (not so funny, but...) : V6 FWD Cherokees can two 4500lbs with the Trailer Tow group, and they don't get shorter final gearing.

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