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I'm interested, but would like to see how the trim around the headlights will be implemented into the design. Cutting up the original bumper just to keep the headlight trim doesn't seem ideal to me... would like to see how it looks though.
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Very interested and email sent. Thanks.
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Yes, the original design intent is to maintain the existing body color quarter panels. In the schematic below, items 1-3 would remain, 5-6 would be replaced, 7 would be modified. Fascia above the fog lights would stay to provide trim for the headlights and tie into the quarter panels.

Yes, a few eggs will have to be broken, but the resulting omelette is going to be delicious. Note that I previously hinted in other threads and websites that the air intake in the passenger front quarter panel and the washer reservoir in the driver front quarter panel will have to be relocated. This is a custom mod to enhance the KL off-road performance. I am excited as you to see the first renderings.
This sounds good. Might I suggest a smaller windshield washer bottle in place of relocation? 1.5 gallons is a lot of fluid. Also, the front weight will need to be considered. I would opt for aluminum for a multitude of reasons. Too much weight hanging off the front will alter the dynamics in a way this platform was not designed for. Ensuring a hoop is added, or optional, for deer protection could also be adventitious. Just my few thoughts.

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Aluminum is more difficult to work with in the manufacturing process, harder to keep a coating on, and much weaker than steel. You don't want an aluminum bumper.

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Aluminum is more difficult to work with in the manufacturing process, harder to keep a coating on, and much weaker than steel. You don't want an aluminum bumper.
None of us know the backgrounds of other members. I can tell you first hand that I would rather work with and own aluminum over steel. I ran a custom Buckstop bumper on my Ram 2500 Cummins for over 60,000 miles without a single issue. The coating stayed on the whole time. I lived in D.C. then northern MN, so it was exposed to salt and all of the elements. It also held a massive Warn PowerPlantHD winch. I would not bolt on a heavy steel bumper to the KL. I also designed a custom aluminum trailer I tow behind my KL, and would never trade it for steel.

This is my opinion, and we shall see what the market decides to bring to consumers, if it brings anything at all.
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None of us know the backgrounds of other members. I can tell you first hand that I would rather work with and own aluminum over steel. I ran a custom Buckstop bumper on my Ram 2500 Cummins for over 60,000 miles without a single issue. The coating stayed on the whole time. I lived in D.C. then northern MN, so it was exposed to salt and all of the elements. It also held a massive Warn PowerPlantHD winch. I would not bolt on a heavy steel bumper to the KL. I also designed a custom aluminum trailer I tow behind my KL, and would never trade it for steel.



This is my opinion, and we shall see what the market decides to bring to consumers, if it brings anything at all.


If is the thing. I've got several shops near me willing to take a go at it but I don't have the capital to cover something this elaborate. I mean, for a first go I figure it would cost 2-3000$ or so from scratch.


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You made several points in your post, @Mudman1. Allow me to address each of them, and please do not take them as a personal attack, because they are not intended as such.

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None of us know the backgrounds of other members.
i didn't claim to, and respectfully, my statement did not require knowing your background in order to make it.

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I can tell you first hand that I would rather work with and own aluminum over steel.
your preference notwithstanding, as a general rule, due to its higher malleability rate, by its very nature, aluminum tends to be a more difficult alloy to work with. not impossible, or no one would do it, but my statement was not incorrect.

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I ran a custom Buckstop bumper on my Ram 2500 Cummins for over 60,000 miles without a single issue. The coating stayed on the whole time. I lived in D.C. then northern MN, so it was exposed to salt and all of the elements. It also held a massive Warn PowerPlantHD winch.
Respectfully, you are one experience among millions. My statement about coatings not adhering as well did not mean that they fall off 100% of the time. Search for 2005-2014 Ford mustang hood paint issues. Due to Ford's switch from fiberglass to aluminum, their hoods to this day have issues with paint not adhering to the material, and that is a characteristic of the material, not just in their application process. not all aluminum components will exhibit this behavior, and not even most of them will. but they have a higher likelihood of doing so than steel.

going back to their higher malleability rate than steel, this is why you normally only see aluminum in non-structural parts on a car, ie. hoods, deck lids, lift gates, etc. i personally would never want a component designed for structural safety or one designed for off-road recovery to be made out of aluminum. fun fact, the KL's OEM bumper is aluminum for weight saving purposes. however, it is designed to be a break-away, impact-absorbing component and replaceable, so its malleability is not an issue, even desired, in cases involving a head-on impact. however, i feel better knowing that my RRO bumper is made from welded steel, and should i need to push/pull with it, it will be strong enough to hold up to the task. i certainly would not want to put a winch in an aluminum bumper and risk deforming it with a hard pull.

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I also designed a custom aluminum trailer I tow behind my KL, and would never trade it for steel.
Apples and oranges. Aluminum is much lighter than steel (which i believe is a substantial part of your argument above) which is highly desirable for trailers. You want any towed object to have the best balance between lightweight and strength, and aluminum in this case works best. i would imagine, however i do not know for sure, that the frame of your trailer is still steel, as is the axles, axle shafts, and other load-bearing components.

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This is my opinion, and we shall see what the market decides to bring to consumers, if it brings anything at all.
And i respect that, and i'm not saying your opinion is wrong, i'm simply pointing out why i disagree
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Obviously, an aftermarket bumper could be made from both aluminum and steel parts. Unibody cars have both all over the place, they are strong where needed and save weight where needed. What goes where is up to the bumper designer, there's no shouting match to be had.

I for one would be as equally likely not to buy it if it were 100% aluminum, with no tow or winch points, than if it were solid steel and weighed 600 lbs.

Consider that there's already a push bar / winch solution from RRO, one approach would be to replace the plastic bumper fascia to add clearance/approach with aluminum and just have a small portion like the size of the RRO piece be steel.

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