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Does the pacafica feel overly big to you. We have driven Chrysler brand minivans since 1991 and have a 2005 town and country now. It's my toy airplane hauler. Wife's current is Chrysler 200 - she wants something taller and with better headlights (the low beams on 200 cut off sharply on top and if you are driving in even slightly hilly terrain you can't see far at all a lot of the time - high beams are fine, but can't be used so much because of traffic). Both of these dislikes she likes about the Cherokee but as I said, she doesn't want two of the same thing around. Prior to the 200 she has driven minivans since 1991 though. It just seemed to me that the Pacifica felt a lot bigger in comparison to the earlier town and country configuration. We tried a 2016 town and country, but transmission was bad experience compared to the 9 speed. I thought it had 8 speed, but not sure.
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Does the pacafica feel overly big to you.
The Pacifica really doesn't feel like a large vehicle when you're driving it. It feels smaller than the Explorer did even though it's actually longer and wider. You really only realize the large size when you load it up with people and cargo and it never gets full! It doesn't drive like a T&C or Grand Caravan at all. The driving dynamics actually feel a lot like the Cherokee except smoother (and with better gas mileage). The one thing that I really wish it had is AWD. But I guess you can't have everything.

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Not that the 9 speed is terrible.. but its not nearly as good as the 8 speed.
I don't think the 9 speed is terrible, but it is not great. My tranny is the smoothest thing , and works perfectly, except it doesn't get 9th gear, and it is the slowest thing ever on the highway, if you step on it at highway speeds, there is still a 2 second delay before the rpms spike and you rocket off. The wk2 8 tranny utilizes all gears and doesn't hesitate for shifts.
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I don't think the 9 speed is terrible, but it is not great. My tranny is the smoothest thing , and works perfectly, except it doesn't get 9th gear, and it is the slowest thing ever on the highway, if you step on it at highway speeds, there is still a 2 second delay before the rpms spike and you rocket off. The wk2 8 tranny utilizes all gears and doesn't hesitate for shifts.
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I don't think the 9 speed is terrible, but it is not great. My tranny is the smoothest thing , and works perfectly, except it doesn't get 9th gear, and it is the slowest thing ever on the highway, if you step on it at highway speeds, there is still a 2 second delay before the rpms spike and you rocket off. The wk2 8 tranny utilizes all gears and doesn't hesitate for shifts.
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I too don't understand OP's love of the ZF 9 speed, but if you're considering a non-FCA vehicle, several versions of the new Honda Pilot have it. Sounds like they may have better handle on programming the thing too.

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Comparing the 9 and 8 speed is like apples and pineapples. Might only be one gear different but the 9 speed is a compact front wheel drive box and the 8 is a traditional rear wheel drive box without the size constraints.

The 9 speed is actually a marvel of modern day ingenuity, but very complex and that comes with some peculiarities of the way it works. Such as longer times to down shift or switching from reverse to drive. There is a lot going on in that compact little box!

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Subaru has their continuously variable transmission (CVT). Although I've never driven one with that transmission myself, it's supposedly very smooth.
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S55 2016-361 2016-08-22 The transaxle wire harness on your vehicle may have been built with insufficient wire terminal crimp(s). This may cause an intermittent high electrical resistance in the transaxle wire harness circuit(s). A high resistance circuit(s) in this wiring harness will cause the on-board diagnostic system to set a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC). When the DTC is set, the system defaults the transaxle to neutral and the customer experiences a loss of motive power. Motive power can usually be regained upon a restart. The loss of motive power could cause a crash without warning. Your dealer will reprogram the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and the Transmission Control Module (TCM). REPAIRED

I have been to the dealer for the 4th time to do that recall, and the problem keeps coming back!
This time (Friday) they decided to keep the Jeep and gave me a loaner.
They don't have a clue to what is happening.
Thank God, they are very nice and understanding, but this doesn't reassure me a loton what's ahead for me.
Anybody out there have an idea about that problem?

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I find this puzzling. I've had two Cherokees, a '14 Trailhawk that the dealer let me swap for a '15 Limited because it was so prone to trouble. With both Cherokees I've found the transmissions to be uneven, rough, and prone to hesitation. I back it out of the garage, put it in drive and sometimes nothing happens but an engine roar until it grabs 3-4 seconds later. And on numerous occasions I've had it stall when I was trying to dash into traffic which can be dangerous. I have all the updates.

The ZF Nine speed is the ONLY reason I'm hesitant to buy another Cherokee or the new Compass.

Are the transmissions so variable in these cars that the two of us could have such different experiences?
My experience with my 16 TH is the exact opposite. It's as smooth as butter. I never notice a shift.

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