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post #31 of 37 (permalink) Old 04-30-2017, 01:02 PM
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Smile Cheers to the ZF-9

Cheers to the ZF-9, is what I say. If it turns out to be reliable in the long term (last beyond 200k) then it's all worth it IMO. Nothing wrong with changing the status quo of squishy and invisible shifting in favor of ultimate performance. It's a utility vehicle not a Lincoln.

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Marketing gimmicks are just that. However as fussel states if the ZF9 proves itself to hold up for 200K miles, in the long run then it one less piece of short term maintenance that so many vehicles differ from around the 100K mark that seriously deprecated many a vehicle no matter the initial asking price.

Look at Porsche 911s on the market where at that 100K miles mark they are quite affordable because the maintenance needed is so extensive, especially in cabriolet form. Having an automatic transmission that can go much farther would help ease the burden on SUVs that are not used in heavily salted areas.

Will they put the ZF9 in the new Wrangler? This may have been asked and answered somewhere in the forum, but with the Wrangler being such a heavily profitable vehicle for Jeep and always in demand a solid automatic transmission is a big factor.

If they ever put out another pickup version of the Wrangler, I would seriously consider switching. But it would have to last.


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What about the lower gears?

The 2.4L has a 56:1 crawl ratio.

Acceleration off the line is good for a 4K lb vehicle.

It's good off road and on. Broader capabilities.

More gears help the engine stay in its power band.

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I used to have a Honda Pilot with 3.5 V6 and 5-speed transmission. Quite frankly, I like my 3.2 V6 KL better, power to weight ratio, and the ability to run at high gear (7 or 8) on highway.

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Close but, no cigar, as stated before, the FCA 9 speed is built in Kokomo, IN, about an hour northeast of Indy, seen the plant myself, not too far where the tornado took out a Starbucks last year. Even funnier was the review stating the 6 spd was much smoother. Had a 6 spd auto in my previous GMC Terrain, that thing couldn't shift to save your life and had almost stalled out twice. This 9 spd had me worried but, so far it has performed better that that 6 spd. Even C&D's thorough review of the KL just last month barely mentioned the 9 spd, so sounds like Honda is dropping the ball on the programming end.
Automatic transmissions have traditionally been a weak point for Honda, especially on the Oddysey, Pilot and Ridgeline. Honda has typically developed their own transmissions in house but have had a love affair with helical gear automatics for nearly 40 years, the design is similar to how a DCT works just with a single clutch instead of dual clutches, but high torque, low RPM applications such as light trucks are hard on the helical gear design. Honda is finally moving away from it though. They have a 10 speed planetary type automatic (the traditional design for automatics that works well in heavy duty applications) coming out on the new Oddysey and that transmission is likely to also replace the ZF 9 speed on the Pilot and Ridgeline. They've also addressed some of the traditional weaknesses of CVTs in their CVT designs on the 4 cylinder models, they use a torque converter instead of a clutch pack to improve response off the line and remove a weak link, they also use a chain on all of their CVTs which while not as quiet as a metal belt is more durable.
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Automatic transmissions have traditionally been a weak point for Honda, especially on the Oddysey, Pilot and Ridgeline. Honda has typically developed their own transmissions in house but have had a love affair with helical gear automatics for nearly 40 years, the design is similar to how a DCT works just with a single clutch instead of dual clutches, but high torque, low RPM applications such as light trucks are hard on the helical gear design. Honda is finally moving away from it though. They have a 10 speed planetary type automatic (the traditional design for automatics that works well in heavy duty applications) coming out on the new Oddysey and that transmission is likely to also replace the ZF 9 speed on the Pilot and Ridgeline. They've also addressed some of the traditional weaknesses of CVTs in their CVT designs on the 4 cylinder models, they use a torque converter instead of a clutch pack to improve response off the line and remove a weak link, they also use a chain on all of their CVTs which while not as quiet as a metal belt is more durable.
There's a ZF9 equipped Ridgeline ? And only one, maybe two Pilot high end trims came with the ZF9 while other trims got a 6-speed I think.

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And yet the Ford Edge I've been driving as a rental all week (with a 3.5 and a 6-spd) got noticeably better mileage than my TH on a 3000 km round trip. And I wasn't driving economically by any means......

Oh yeah...and no stupid auto stop/start system......
I agree! I have an even heavier Explorer (company car) with the same engine and transmission and regularly get 22-24 MPG and drive it pretty hard. I have had some pretty indecisive shifts in it from time to time, but the fact that a smaller V6, in a lighter vehicle with more speeds in the transmission gets worse MPG is an epic fail IMO for FCA.

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