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post #11 of 81 (permalink) Old 11-26-2016, 09:11 AM
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@ Mark_ Thanks for the informative response.

I do use an impact gun to remove as well as install my bolts. When installing bolts I only use the gun to spin them in quickly, but do not hammer them in. I get one click, maybe two. I follow that up with a torque wrench and tighten until I get the click at 100 ft pounds. Then re-torque after a few days of driving to make sure everything is properly seated.

I decided to go with these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ABN0R4LDL4BFC
  • All lug bolts are forged, not cut from bar stock. Forging allows for better mechanical properties and consistent quality.
  • Our threads are rolled (forged) onto the bolt, not cut. 60 degree acorn seat.
  • All lug bolts are made of 1045 carbon steel and heat treated to 10.9 grade. Carbon steel is an alloy known for it's very good formability, comparatively high strength, and a high luster surface finish.
  • All lug bolt finishes are corrosion tested using a 48 hour salt spray.
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Those look like decent bolts to me. Heads look robust. And at that price, well, you can get new ones 3-4 years from now and it won't hurt the wallet.

The way you do your wheels, no way you damaged those bolt heads like the one in your first post. Not unless you picked the wrong socket or didn't insert it all the way in.

This reminds me I have to retorque mine...

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post #12 of 81 (permalink) Old 11-26-2016, 07:36 PM
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Thread heading should actually be "capped" lugs suck. Cherokee isn't the only one to have 'capped' lug bolts/nuts. Lots of vehicles have them and yes they do SUCK.
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I have found them lacking in durability from the start. They are a carryover from the Dart.
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Thread heading should actually be "capped" lugs suck. Cherokee isn't the only one to have 'capped' lug bolts/nuts. Lots of vehicles have them and yes they do SUCK.
"Capped" is the word I was looking for earlier, thanks. Just like the lug nuts on the Libertys.

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I have found them lacking in durability from the start. They are a carryover from the Dart.
Just curious : have you replaced any and if so, do you have a preferred *go to* brand for bolts/nuts ? Choices are more limited in Canada, and pricier. Thinking I'm going to replace mine now... because someone other than me will take wheels off this Jeep in the future, as much as I want to avoid it, and I've had bad luck with impact gun warriors... so I need stronger bolts I guess.

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I am committed to use OEM parts, but if I were an owner I would definitely check out the one's from Amazon. I feel bad for the guys at the tire stores that will be blamed on damage that they did not do.
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They've been capping the heads of lug nuts and bolts for years. My 93 ZJ didn't lose a cap until around 2007, and my 04 WJ lost its first cap a few months ago. I was able tap it back on, and it's stayed on. Don't have much confidence the next time they have to be removed though.

It sucks these KL caps are coming off after just a couple of years.

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I am committed to use OEM parts, but if I were an owner I would definitely check out the one's from Amazon. I feel bad for the guys at the tire stores that will be blamed on damage that they did not do.
Roger that...

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They've been capping the heads of lug nuts and bolts for years. My 93 ZJ didn't lose a cap until around 2007, and my 04 WJ lost its first cap a few months ago. I was able tap it back on, and it's stayed on. Don't have much confidence the next time they have to be removed though.

It sucks these KL caps are coming off after just a couple of years.
I vividly recall the Liberty's lug nut caps being *easy* to detect, because they deformed and tore quite easily. With the recent damage done to a few of my KL's lug bolt heads, I couldn't even tell they were capped. Probably because it is minor damage, but it still causes a socket to grip on them.
From what I'm seeing and hearing, it's like impact tools should never come close to these capped heads, and that is ridiculous in today's world.

Amazon Canada does not have inexpensive chrome lug bolts like the OP found on the US site. The Otis ones are $80 per set while they are $50 in the US. I could get chrome tuner bolts for less than $50, but they spell out *NO AIR TOOLS* on their boxes, which many shops would not know and probably ignore if told...
Since I only have 2, maybe 3 damaged bolt heads, I can take my Mopar lock bolts out of retirement and use a few of those, until cheaper decent bolts show up in Canada...

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Took out the calculator. It's easy to cheat on socket size for these 19mm bolts.
3/4" socket is actually 19,05mm which is pretty darn close.
0,05mm equals roughly 0,002 inches (or 2 thousandths).

I'm thinking I'll switch to a 3/4 socket for those few damaged bolts, giving me a little wiggle room, and see what happens. But only in the spring during changeover

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I had never heard of lug bolts until I searched to see what size lug nuts KLs have (checking to see if my Charger's black Gorilla lock lug nuts would carry over). Seeing photos with wheels off and no studs sticking out of the rotors looks so odd to me. LOL
Obviously you've never owned a VW or an Audi.........
Most German manufacturers use bolts......I bought a few screw-in stud conversion kits for my old cars.
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Obviously you've never owned a VW or an Audi.........
Most German manufacturers use bolts......I bought a few screw-in stud conversion kits for my old cars.
Yep. I can confirm for VW, being the new owner of a Beetle, having purchased new winter wheel/tire combo + new lug bolts.
Took me a while to figure out why Amazon kept saying *does not fit* when I was looking at M14x1.5 lug bolts, with the correct shank lenght.
And then it hit me... VW and Audi wheels have ball seats (aka spherical or radius seats), not conical (aka tapered or acorn seats).
And the aftermarket wheels I purchased where VW specific, so it's a good thing I looked this up before buying.

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