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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-21-2017, 03:08 PM
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Definitely. If only @phatgreatwall would make a return appearence here.

Hopefully he made it back from Attawapiskat Ok...

@Mudman1 : I hear you. Straight line it's 650 miles (1100 Km). I tried to zoom in on the roads that go up there, but Google Earth doesn't have enough details. Maybe a paper Ontario road map would show it, but I don't have one. Likely an 800+ mile trip.

My brother works on the Quebec side of James Bay, maybe 30-40 miles further North than Attawapiskat and there are enough gas stations to make it up there safely. But I have no idea on the Ontario side.

Ok just looked it up more. Apparently, the road ends at Moosonee (except in winter). Moosonee is at the Southern tip of James Bay. In winter, you can drive from Moosonee up to more communities along James Bay, including Attiwapiskat.
The drive from Toronto to Moosonee is roughly 520 miles.
Straight line from Moosonee to Attiwapiskat is 137 miles. So 650-ish may be close.
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Found this : https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario...n_ontario.html

So Moosonee to Attiwapiskat is roughly 300 Km (200 miles) by winter road.

Safe ice depth for big rigs (up to 100 000 pounds) is 43 inches. 20 inches is Ok for 16 500lbs. They have to flood the road to thicken up the ice, or else big trucks would never be able to go up there.

Definitely safe to drive up there.

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Well, you can't even drive to Moosonee except by ice road as well. Otter Rapids is the *end of the road* going North, which is 93 miles South of Moosonee, so officially the ice road starts there. One anecdote says it takes 6 hours to drive from Timmins Ontario to Moosonee. And Toronto to Timmins is roughly 435 miles (8 hours). So that's 8 + 6 + that 200 mile ice road from Moosonee to Attiwapiskat. I'm thinking @phatgreatwall made a pit stop in Timmins overnight, because most of his pics up on the ice road are daytime, and sun sets mid-late afternoon up there in February. And who would drive such a road at night... except the locals maybe...

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Wow. I drove some very isolated roads at night over the summer...because it was still light out! I don't know that I would do a lot of night driving by choice on ice roads, but i have never had to make that decision.

Good information @Mark_, thanks for sharing.
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sorry i just got back from an oversea trip. my trip basically went like this.
toronto to cochrane, sleep there for the night, and took the polar express to moosonee, once i got there and took a local tour with one of the taxi drivers, thats when he told me i can actually drive up here in the winter time, so after a few hours on the reserve i took the train back to cochrane and slept there another night. the next day i started drive to otter rapids. From there, road ends and winter ice road begins, keep driving to moose factory, cross the ice river to moosonee, then continue on ice road to attawapiskat. in terms of gas, once you get to cochrane, definitely have at least another 20l jerrycan in the trunk, because the next gas station is at moose factory. from moose factory, the next gas station is fort albany, but when i was there they had fuel shortage, thank god i had enough gas to go all the way to attawapiskat. keep in mind, there's no 24h gas station once you pass cochrane, so make sure u get your gas before 4pm.

oh, and it's piss scary pouring gas on the ice road in the middle of the night, #1 its -40c outside so your hands freeze within minutes, #2 you dont know where a wolf can jump out because it's absolutely pitch black, so i blasted the music with my door open while pouring gas and take a piss to leave my markings.

the people are the native reserves are actually very friendly, im asian so they all thought i was native based on my looks. when i was buying gas they all asked me for my native card.
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sorry i just got back from an oversea trip. my trip basically went like this.
toronto to cochrane, sleep there for the night, and took the polar express to moosonee, once i got there and took a local tour with one of the taxi drivers, thats when he told me i can actually drive up here in the winter time, so after a few hours on the reserve i took the train back to cochrane and slept there another night. the next day i started drive to otter rapids. From there, road ends and winter ice road begins, keep driving to moose factory, cross the ice river to moosonee, then continue on ice road to attawapiskat. in terms of gas, once you get to cochrane, definitely have at least another 20l jerrycan in the trunk, because the next gas station is at moose factory. from moose factory, the next gas station is fort albany, but when i was there they had fuel shortage, thank god i had enough gas to go all the way to attawapiskat. keep in mind, there's no 24h gas station once you pass cochrane, so make sure u get your gas before 4pm.

oh, and it's piss scary pouring gas on the ice road in the middle of the night, #1 its -40c outside so your hands freeze within minutes, #2 you dont know where a wolf can jump out because it's absolutely pitch black, so i blasted the music with my door open while pouring gas and take a piss to leave my markings.

the people are the native reserves are actually very friendly, im asian so they all thought i was native based on my looks. when i was buying gas they all asked me for my native card.
Thanks for the follow-up !!

I'm only a few hours away from Timmins (and Cochrane), on the Quebec side, so I'm not unfamiliar with James Bay. Have never driven on an ice road though. Would LOVE to some day, being a winter person.

For those wondering : -40C = -40F (it's where both scales meet), and a 20L (litre) jug of gas is 5 gallons (US).

Yeah when I said you drove in the daytime, I didn't even thing about gas stations being closed at night, in the middle of nowhere.

So you were alone in the Jeep ? How many other vehicules (roughly) did you see on the ice roads ? In case you had mechanical failure or ran out of gas... Forget cell phone service up there, unless you have a satellite phone.

Wolves are afraid of humans and I doubt they would be attracted by a motor vehicule, especially on a flat open surface with no place to hide, but they would be curious about the *territory marking* though, so zip up quick and get back in the Jeep in a hurry, haha. Polar bears on the other hand, are not so scared of... anything... lol. No polar bears where you were, not high (North) enough.

How did you find morale in Attawapiskat, after all they've been through ?
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i picked up a native hitch hiker on the way there from moosonee, and let me tell you, they get pissed drunk 24 hours a day. i had a 5 hour long conversation with him while driving, and basically he explained it as the government just left them there, they feel hopeless, there's no jobs, no proper schooling for their children. i drove there myself, and surprisingly the entire ice road has patrols 24 hours a day. during the daytime there are a few cars going from moosonee to cochrane, but from cochrane forward very few vehicles, especially at night time. when i was there, there are still quite a few construction vehicle on the road doing maintenance, and during the night time they just leave them running because diesels wont start in the middle of nowhere in that kind of coldness. it was a very interesting trip and i think everyone needs to drive on that road to experience it once in their lifetime.

because i was driving on ice road the whole time, i had a lot of opportunity to play with our jeeps 4x4 system. one interesting note about our jeep is that i found sand/mud mode has 4x4 always engaged, snow/sport still behaves like FWD most of the time. the downside to sand/mud mode is that the rpm stays above 3000 all the time, and gas mileage is horrible.
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i picked up a native hitch hiker on the way there from moosonee, and let me tell you, they get pissed drunk 24 hours a day. i had a 5 hour long conversation with him while driving, and basically he explained it as the government just left them there, they feel hopeless, there's no jobs, no proper schooling for their children. i drove there myself, and surprisingly the entire ice road has patrols 24 hours a day. during the daytime there are a few cars going from moosonee to cochrane, but from cochrane forward very few vehicles, especially at night time. when i was there, there are still quite a few construction vehicle on the road doing maintenance, and during the night time they just leave them running because diesels wont start in the middle of nowhere in that kind of coldness. it was a very interesting trip and i think everyone needs to drive on that road to experience it once in their lifetime.

because i was driving on ice road the whole time, i had a lot of opportunity to play with our jeeps 4x4 system. one interesting note about our jeep is that i found sand/mud mode has 4x4 always engaged, snow/sport still behaves like FWD most of the time. the downside to sand/mud mode is that the rpm stays above 3000 all the time, and gas mileage is horrible.
Yeah, living conditions there are terrible, from what I've seen on the news, and their leaders may not be the most honest when it comes to managing reserve money... but anyway...

I did read they maintain that road very well. I've been on local lakes in a car or pickup truck before, but nothing like what they have up there. Ugh... I gotta go one day...

About the 4WD system : yep Sand/Mud seems to lock front/rear because there are warnings in the owner's manual about not driving on high friction surfaces (like pavement) in that mode as it could cause driveline binding. Sport and Snow both offer different front/rear power splits which implies slippage (not 50/50). Sport mode also keeps the revs up, so terrible on gas. Did you find Auto mode to be Ok on that road ? I'm guessing it was mostly hard pack snow (very hard) and some ice. Did you have stock tires ? And curious also about gas mileage (roughly) ? Very cold weather is also not good for mileage...
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