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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-19-2016, 08:02 PM
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strange, since the upgraded gear ratio is specifically NOT listed as equipment included in the prep package.

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strange, since the upgraded gear ratio is specifically NOT listed as equipment included in the prep package.


Jeepcares has stated the engineers said the reason for the 4500lb limit was the cooling from the towing package, not the gearing. So it makes sense.


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hmm...after further investigation, I have found that the Active Drive II automatically gets you the 3.517 gear ratio, so maybe that's why they didn't include it in the prep group. I ran a quick locate on 4 overlands, all V6 4x4 models: AD-I without prep, AD-I with prep, AD-II without prep, and AD-II with prep. the two AD-I cars had the 3.251 ratio (the standard V6 gear ratio) and the two AD-II had the 3.571. the package had no impact on gear ratios. my guess? Since the overland was originally available in ONLY the AD-II and the AD-I model wasn't available until recently, they have not included the upgraded gearing in the package because it was once standard equipment on the overland. AD-I overlands are getting the short end of the stick by not offering the added gearing in that package, and I am cautious that they can even tow the 4,500 pounds that they claim.

UPDATE: CONFIRMED! the AD-I Cherokee CANNOT tow the 4,500 lb limit that Jeep's website claims, and I have also confirmed my reasoning above. I took the same 4 vin numbers on the cars I found above and ran what is called an OwnerSupport+ on them which gives a list of equipment, capacities, and abilities, and the ONLY car on the list that came back with a 4,500 lb towing capacity was the AD-II with the prep group. ALL others said 2,000. so it appears that the gearing IS important, and upgraded gearing is ONLY available on the Overland if you get AD-II.

my personal recommendation is to get the AD-II anyway. I didn't want it to start, but the one I wound up getting was the only one in 200 miles that had the equipment on it I wanted, so I sprung for it, and man am I glad I did. I've used 4LOW a ton of times: when beaching, when pulling stumps out of my backyard, when curb hopping at football games to get out of the parking lot, etc. and I've used my trailer hitch a ton more than I ever thought I would. plus, the additional ground clearance was nice, even though I increased it with the lift. my advice is to get the AD-II with the prep group if you're factory ordering. you can't go wrong to be prepared for all situations.

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Jeepcares has stated the engineers said the reason for the 4500lb limit was the cooling from the towing package, not the gearing. So it makes sense.


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our resident expert may be either misinformed or has information out of date, because if that were true, my findings above would be different. from what I can tell, that information is inaccurate, and it is either the combination of gearing and cooling that makes the trailer tow capacity what it is, or the gearing itself. either way, gearing seems to play a part in the trailer tow capacity of these cars.

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our resident expert may be either misinformed or has information out of date, because if that were true, my findings above would be different. from what I can tell, that information is inaccurate, and it is either the combination of gearing and cooling that makes the trailer tow capacity what it is, or the gearing itself. either way, gearing seems to play a part in the trailer tow capacity of these cars.

If you have anyway of reaching the "higher ups" they need to correct that chart I posted then as it says 4 by 4 and FWD with the prep package will tow 4500 lbs. (Trailer Tow Prep Package Overland
Max Towing: 4,500 Pounds, FWD/4x4)

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If you have anyway of reaching the "higher ups" they need to correct that chart I posted then as it says 4 by 4 and FWD with the prep package will tow 4500 lbs. (Trailer Tow Prep Package Overland
Max Towing: 4,500 Pounds, FWD/4x4)
not really, I wouldn't even know where to start. I've seen typos on window stickers before and don't know how to get those corrected, either. I posted up a few months ago a window sticker of a KL that had the tech package with "active breaking"

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If you have anyway of reaching the "higher ups" they need to correct that chart I posted then as it says 4 by 4 and FWD with the prep package will tow 4500 lbs. (Trailer Tow Prep Package Overland

Max Towing: 4,500 Pounds, FWD/4x4)


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Afternoon (or morning?) all!

So, about to bite the bullet and buy my first Cherokee after wanting one for a LONG time. Third one in my family...


That being said, I've been overseas for a bit and not sure what pricing should look like.


I'm looking at a new 2017 Cherokee Overland w/ Tech Package, Active Drive II, and Full-Size Spare.


They're asking for $38,881 before taxes. I emailed a bunch of places, including some a bit further out, at that's the lowest I've got so far.


I'm willing to pay a little more for the convenience of the dealership being close (and that it has a good reputation)...


Thoughts on that price?

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Actually buy where you get the best price. Any dealer including your local one will service your Cherokee with no problem.
If its $500 or less and convenience is an issue then your local dealer is the way to go. Its always nice to deal locally if you can.
In my case I was looking at 2 grand so I bought 300 mile away. At that time the Cherokee was fairly new on the market and Tow Group was impossible to find.
So this dealer 300 miles away gladly factory ordered it exactly the way I wanted. I never looked back, even at 3 years.
Many dealers have great internet sales departments so don't be afraid to travel if you have to.

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Thanks for all the advice/info all...


Ended up getting the Overland, but for less than I posted. That advertised price ($38881) did NOT include freight or dealer's fee, and included a $500 incentive I am not eligible for, which would have brought the price to about $40200.


That being said, when I went in the dealership (the same one that quoted the above) sold me the car for $37800 INCLUDING dealer fees and freight. Basically I went in with the Truecar price I found and they beat it by a little. Actually a really good experience overall and the best dealer/F&I team I've ever worked with. No pressure at all for anything. I might have gotten it for slightly less, but the way the dealership treated me and the convenience of it all, like you said Jeepster, was worth the little extra.


Now just looking for an excuse to drive..........................
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Thanks for all the advice/info all...


Ended up getting the Overland, but for less than I posted. That advertised price ($38881) did NOT include freight or dealer's fee, and included a $500 incentive I am not eligible for, which would have brought the price to about $40200.


That being said, when I went in the dealership (the same one that quoted the above) sold me the car for $37800 INCLUDING dealer fees and freight. Basically I went in with the Truecar price I found and they beat it by a little. Actually a really good experience overall and the best dealer/F&I team I've ever worked with. No pressure at all for anything. I might have gotten it for slightly less, but the way the dealership treated me and the convenience of it all, like you said Jeepster, was worth the little extra.


Now just looking for an excuse to drive..........................


Enjoy. It's a wonderful vehicle to drive.


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