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Okay I did a search for "water" and "depth" and found a few instances of water coming inside the TH. I figured I'd start a dedicated thread to just this.

My personal experience is this. I'm a storm chaser, I've been all over in my TH both old and hope soon the new one. The deepest I've been is water to the headlights without water coming into the TH.

Now, I have seen water splash past the seals in the right rear passenger door but I assumed it was due frame damage or something from bottoming out the TH and twisting something causing the seal to no longer stay sealed.

I know for a fact I have been in water up to the Cherokee logo on the door and didn't have a problem. For those that HAVE had water come in, would that be seen as a failure of the seals and you could make a claim for damage?

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Interesting question. I have only crossed water with under 10" depth, but with claims from FCA and photos posted by other, I know I should be able to cross deeper waterways.

Regarding the seal on the rear door .. I am wondering if you saw the "splash" due to the loose fit of the inner weatherseal? I know that mine has been knocked out of place a few times when a passengers exit on the driver's side. I would see it sticking out of the the closed door and have to put it back into its proper location. Seems like a good fit, but occasionally it falls. One time I found the seal laying on the ground under my Jeep. I brought this to my dealer back when having one of the original TSBs done and they said it was an anomaly but would look at it. It stayed in place for a few months before starting to fall again.

So, to your question of failure claim, if I experienced water intrusion in the rear, I would totally be suspicious of that seal and see the failure as a design flaw, until proven otherwise.
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Interesting question. I have only crossed water with under 10" depth, but with claims from FCA and photos posted by other, I know I should be able to cross deeper waterways.

Regarding the seal on the rear door .. I am wondering if you saw the "splash" due to the loose fit of the inner weatherseal? I know that mine has been knocked out of place a few times when a passengers exit on the driver's side. I would see it sticking out of the the closed door and have to put it back into its proper location. Seems like a good fit, but occasionally it falls. One time I found the seal laying on the ground under my Jeep. I brought this to my dealer back when having one of the original TSBs done and they said it was an anomaly but would look at it. It stayed in place for a few months before starting to fall again.

So, to your question of failure claim, if I experienced water intrusion in the rear, I would totally be suspicious of that seal and see the failure as a design flaw, until proven otherwise.
My concern is for those such as the current Cherokee of the Month winner who happened to swamp his rig. I'm curious if I could find a statement from Jeep as to how they designed the system. Like Wranglers for example have drain plugs in the floors which would indicate they were designed and expected to get water inside. But I wonder, if the TH was not designed to allow water into the vehicle, then in the case of the COTM winner, would they not be able to make a claim for damage to the vehicle based on the fact that water got past the seals and caused damage or would FCA simply say something along the lines of, you took it too deep or didn't use it as intended.

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.... I'm curious if I could find a statement from Jeep as to how they designed the system. ....
Just because it hasn't yet been said in this thread even though everyone may already know it, Jeep specs the Cherokee's water fording capability at 20 inches.

http://www.jeep.com/en/jeep-capabilities/trail-rated/
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Just because it hasn't yet been said in this thread even though everyone may already know it, Jeep specs the Cherokee's water fording capability at 20 inches.

http://www.jeep.com/en/jeep-capabilities/trail-rated/
Yes, that's correct that Jeep advertises the Cherokee as able to traverse standing water at 20" at 5MPH. While in the latest owners manual available online it states 9" of flowing water and 19" of standing water but discrepancies are nothing new for Jeep. But what it doesn't advertise or mention is how the water sealing system is designed. Is it by design that the cabin is to stay dry while traversing 19" or as the Jeep homepage says 20" of water. Or like on the Wrangler was it designed for the cabin to get wet but be able to be drained. If it's the first and the cabin was meant to be kept dry, would someone have a valid claim if they traversed no more than the advertised depth and had water come inside the cabin?

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Also, unless I'm incorrect, it's my understanding that ONLY trail rated vehicles get the water sealing properties. While other vehicles don't. And I believe it states in the manuals that if you must cross water to cross water no deeper than the hubs. Which would mean in the case of the Cherokee, only the TrailHawk would be rated at the advertised 20" of water depth.

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Just because it hasn't yet been said in this thread even though everyone may already know it, Jeep specs the Cherokee's water fording capability at 20 inches.

http://www.jeep.com/en/jeep-capabilities/trail-rated/
To elaborate even more:
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To elaborate even more:
4X2 N/A
4X4 ADI 19”
4X4 ADII 19”
4X4 ADII w/drive lock (Trailhawk) 20”
I stand corrected, thank you.

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The extra inch is probably to do with the TH extra ground clearance , Nothing to do with fancy seals .

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